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白水
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Posted: 2007-09-18 20:26:23 Post subject: 色戒

<色戒> 你从哪里来? 漠然的瞳孔溶化了宇宙的混沌托出所有的邪恶请你直视这淳的化身色即空何需戒? <Lust Caution> where did you come from? empty eyes melt in turbid sky take out all of your wicked idea please look the pure body looks are voids why do you abstain? 宽恕这, 是我心中最美的十字不踏红尘, 莫如赤足沉重的木枷不再背负. 还给我, 还给我吧不入地狱, 谁将鞭笞? 火如蛇, 如井台边腐烂的绳索捆绑的宽恕. 我宁愿摔碎花前月下那面美丽虚枉的铜镜从柔肠深处呕吐太多的白日的咀嚼让我身轻, 再轻天地间任我自由的魂灵

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Posted: 2007-09-18 20:28:48 Post subject:

请问, 哪位双语诗歌高手能帮我译出"色即空".

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Posted: 2007-09-18 20:34:48 Post subject:

color is empty 她穿几号鞋？ _________________ I'm nobody! Who are you?

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Posted: 2007-09-18 20:38:12 Post subject:

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color is empty Laughing

我想过COLOUR(OR:LUST) IS EMPTY, 但觉得译不出其禅意. Embarassed

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Posted: 2007-09-18 20:44:05 Post subject:

我开玩笑呢，哈哈！不可能的。此色非彼色。不过我不知道怎么翻。记得在那里看到过。。。这么有名，应该有现成翻译可以借鉴。 _________________ I'm nobody! Who are you?

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Posted: 2007-09-18 20:50:51 Post subject:

这恰好是我想请教的. 色即空, 包含太多的内容, 怎么译? 有次我向英文老师请教双语互译(她是个诗人), 结果是我们都同意有些诗句是不可译的. WOW, 你又加了内容. 能找到吗? 我今天还上GOOGLE 查了, 没找到.

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Posted: 2007-09-18 22:19:54 Post subject:

"色"应为淫荡或为"淫乐（loose in morals）"、“淫欲(lust)"之意；而“空”应为“空门（Buddhism）"、“空名（empty title）”之意。但如何使其诗意和哲理化就很难了。问好二位诗人。白水诗人，别忘了我的好事（此为悄悄话） _________________ 走了很久了。还清晰地望见/身后那盏明灭的灯火/好像我们走的越久越远/故乡的那盏灯就越亮 ——拙作《离开村庄》 http://blog.sina.com.cn/u/1269376751

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Posted: 2007-09-18 22:50:57 Post subject:

在一切含有封建意识的思想里,色,泛指女色;淫,也缘于女色.这是不公平的.对女性而言,男人也是色,也是淫. 只是单方面用女体来象征色,本身就是谬. 因此,世间全是色.能单性繁殖的例外;世间本无色,色即是形式又是本质.熟视无睹,视而不见即为空. 空者,是你心不在,非存在不在,非我心不在. 视客观实在而不见,是唯心,是形而上.是非空也. 色非空,不必戒.以我为色,不偏不倚,是为中庸! _________________ 靠才华为自己带来幸福的是才子;靠才华为自己带来痛苦的是诗人!!http://blog.sina.com.cn/hanshaojun345

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Posted: 2007-09-19 00:26:08 Post subject:

搞不懂,不过图很美,诗也美,喜欢

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Posted: 2007-09-19 06:42:57 Post subject:

少君, YOU ARE RIGHT. 这里只是举一而反三吧. 我喜欢这幅画, 心无则眼无, 无论美还是邪【色即是空】色是指一切有形的物质，这些物质都是因缘和合而生的，其当体即空，故说色即是空。 FROM:【陈义孝《佛学常见辞汇》】【色即是空】（术语）色者总谓有形之万物。此等万物，为因缘所生者，非本来实有故是空也，是谓之色即是空。即是指事物当体而言。是就五蕴说有空即之理也。般若心经曰：‘色不异空，空不异色。色即是空，空即是色。受想行识亦复如是。’梵Ru%panis/u%nyata http://hi.baidu.com/freezcn/blog/item/e70dd52af4d18a9a023bf66c.html

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Posted: 2007-09-19 07:37:17 Post subject:

学习 _________________ 为网友服务: 端茶倒水勤打扫!

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Posted: 2007-09-19 09:51:14 Post subject:

宽恕这, 是我心中最美的十字不踏红尘, 莫如赤足沉重的木枷不再背负. 还给我, 还给我吧不入地狱, 谁将鞭笞? 火如蛇, 如井台边腐烂的绳索捆绑的宽恕. 我宁愿摔碎花前月下那面美丽虚枉的铜镜从柔肠深处呕吐太多的白日的咀嚼让我身轻, 再轻天地间任我自由的魂灵

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Posted: 2007-09-19 09:53:37 Post subject:

自由的魂灵好 _________________ 为网友服务: 端茶倒水勤打扫!

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Posted: 2007-09-19 19:37:51 Post subject:

杨海军 wrote:

"色"应为淫荡或为"淫乐（loose in morals）"、“淫欲(lust)"之意；而“空”应为“空门（Buddhism）"、“空名（empty title）”之意。但如何使其诗意和哲理化就很难了。问好二位诗人。
白水诗人，别忘了我的好事（此为悄悄话）

看来你的英文也不赖, 还来剥削我们. 你不知道我们身在他乡也很辛苦的 Sad

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Posted: 2007-09-19 19:39:14 Post subject:

半溪明月 wrote:

搞不懂,不过图很美,诗也美,喜欢

月亮, 谢谢你喜欢

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Posted: 2007-09-19 19:47:43 Post subject:

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学习

呵呵, 学什么?

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Posted: 2007-09-19 19:48:14 Post subject:

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自由的魂灵

好

谢谢

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Posted: 2007-09-19 20:01:19 Post subject:

感觉英文想说的比中文的好

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Posted: 2007-09-19 20:05:52 Post subject:

天一黑 wrote:

感觉英文想说的比中文的好

谢谢. 我写的时候有同感, 除了那一句. 英文展的开些.

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Posted: 2007-09-19 20:17:49 Post subject:

俺想这中文的该是这样的你哪儿来空瞳溶解了苍色天穹放脱所有的欲恶眼前会是那个纯的身体色即空你何戒可承

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