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'twixt ape and Plato

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发表于: 2007-10-06 22:46:22 发表主题: 'twixt ape and Plato

Where's The Poet? by John Keats. Where's the Poet? show him! show him, Muses nine! that I may know him. 'Tis the man who with a man Is an equal, be he King, Or poorest of the beggar-clan Or any other wonderous thing A man may be 'twixt ape and Plato; 'Tis the man who with a bird, Wren or Eagle, finds his way to All its instincts; he hath heard The Lion's roaring, and can tell What his horny throat expresseth, And to him the Tiger's yell Come articulate and presseth Or his ear like mother-tongue. 谁有兴趣一翻，这首挺好的，此时此境，对这里的诗人而言。 _________________ （在不斷的審醜裡終將建立起新的審美）

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发表于: 2007-10-07 13:11:58 发表主题: Re: 'twixt ape and Plato

博弈写到:

Where's The Poet? by John Keats.

Where's the Poet? show him! show him,
Muses nine! that I may know him.
'Tis the man who with a man
Is an equal, be he King,
Or poorest of the beggar-clan
Or any other wonderous thing
A man may be 'twixt ape and Plato;
'Tis the man who with a bird,
Wren or Eagle, finds his way to
All its instincts; he hath heard
The Lion's roaring, and can tell
What his horny throat expresseth,
And to him the Tiger's yell
Come articulate and presseth
Or his ear like mother-tongue.

谁有兴趣一翻，这首挺好的，此时此境，对这里的诗人而言。

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I never liked translated poems. Who dare say poems can be translated?
How can a poem be translated? The more I know, the more I believe it can never happen.
Every word is unique, so translation is redundant. Learn the language, don't read translation.
But, I think every thing except poetry could be translated.

我看有你这段话，没人愿翻了。 Razz

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the trouble with poetry is that it encourages the writing of more poetry -- Billy Collins

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发表于: 2007-10-07 15:46:52 发表主题:

Lake 抓得好，我的意思仍然是理论上诗是不可翻译的，但在尝试翻译的过程中，诗人（或译者）会精读一首诗，而取得对诗更深入的体会（我要的是这个），所译文就变成一个附带产品以说明译者对诗的理解。翻译上有一个理论，如果原文是 A, 译文是 B, 当译文 B 被翻回 A' 时，如果 A = A', 则是不失真的好翻译。诗很难做到这一点，因为每一个字都重要。但对不懂 A 语言的读者言，有 B 自然是很好的。除此之外，我是鼓励诗人涉猎第二语言的诗，一个附带收获会是因此而对第一语言的诗作有启发。不同的人翻出不同的版本，而所有的版本共同解读了一首诗。翻吧 _________________ （在不斷的審醜裡終將建立起新的審美）