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尘世道 ( 二 )
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PostPosted: 2010-09-13 10:19:42    Post subject: 尘世道 ( 二 ) Reply with quote

. . . 中 庸 . . .
<调寄浪淘沙>
顺意隨缘莫强求,
中庸取道物华优.
平凡心境平凡就,
綠水青山乐不休!
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PostPosted: 2010-09-13 16:24:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

白云闲人 wrote:
. . . 中 庸 . . .
...

唐教坊曲名。

單調二十八字,四句三平韻

皇甫松

蠻歌荳蔻北人愁。蒲雨杉風野艇秋。浪起鵁鶄眠不得。寒沙細細入江流。
○○●●●○○ ○●○○●●○ ●●○○○●● ○○●●●○○

此與宋人《浪淘沙令》、《浪淘沙慢》不同,蓋宋人借舊曲名,另倚新腔。此七言絕句也。按,《浪淘沙》詞,創自劉、白,劉詞九首與此同,惟白詞六首皆拗體耳。

白云兄似乎出了。
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PostPosted: 2010-09-13 16:52:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

笑聊,<浪淘沙>有"单调小令"、"双调小令"及"长调慢曲". 在"单调小令"中,你所列出的是其中一体,还有两体.我所使用的其中一体的格律为:
+∣--+∣- (韵),
+-+∣∣-- (韵).
+-+∣+-∣ ,
+∣--∣∣- (韵).

供交流参攷.
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PostPosted: 2010-09-13 20:05:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

白云兄,上述词谱来自:

是钦定词谱、万树词律、白香词谱?
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PostPosted: 2010-09-14 02:14:26    Post subject: Reply with quote

平常心是道
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PostPosted: 2010-09-14 02:59:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

平凡心境平凡就,
綠水青山乐不休!

欣赏好句佳篇,问候白云老师。
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PostPosted: 2010-09-14 07:31:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

笑聊,詞兴于唐,经五代,极盛宋,历代詞人的承传发展,使詞成为华夏光辉灿烂的文学宝庫,其豐富多姿,造就不少名篇.仅就论述詞的格律,就有不少版本,如:钦定詞谱、白香詞谱、万树詞律、詞牌别名、唐宋詞格律等等不少的版本.每个版本均有其之长与不足,故而写作与欣赏時,纵覌而概,更能挥洒!
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PostPosted: 2010-09-14 07:35:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

平常心是道,影沉寒水说得精辟!
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PostPosted: 2010-09-14 07:36:34    Post subject: Reply with quote

謝宁家珍雅評!
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PostPosted: 2010-09-14 08:25:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

中庸和谐,和平发展是人类共识。正如白云老师词中所写:中庸取道物华优.
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PostPosted: 2010-09-14 16:29:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

白云闲人 wrote:
笑聊,詞兴于唐,经五代,极盛宋,历代詞人的承传发展,使詞成为华夏光辉灿烂的文学宝庫,其豐富多姿,造就不少名篇.仅就论述詞的格律,就有不少版本,如:钦定詞谱、白香詞谱、万树詞律、詞牌别名、唐宋詞格律等等不少的版本.每个版本均有其之长与不足,故而写作与欣赏時,纵覌而概,更能挥洒!


白云兄,学然后知不足。既然我不懂,那就要问懂的人。你说单调有三个版本,那同时列出,注明出处。(或者注明出处)便于不懂的人学习。好吗?
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PostPosted: 2010-09-15 06:47:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

笑聊,很喜欢与你交流切磋,坛加共同之乐趣. 是呀,昨天赶時間,便一下子漏了写,我所采用的一体录自于<唐宋詞格律>那一版本.
举例: 唐-刘禹錫詞
日照澄洲江霧开,
淘金女伴滿江隈.
美人首飾侯王印,
尽是沙中浪底来.
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PostPosted: 2010-09-15 06:59:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

謝庆宏点評! 是啊!人人均以中庸之道,世界則持久和平!
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PostPosted: 2010-09-16 03:59:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

白云闲人 wrote:
笑聊,很喜欢与你交流切磋,坛加共同之乐趣. 是呀,昨天赶時間,便一下子漏了写,我所采用的一体录自于<唐宋詞格律>那一版本.
...


白云兄,通过对《浪淘沙》(二十八字单调)词牌的学习,知道了这一词牌的今生前世。它就是平起式仄起式的七言绝句。因为首句入韵,所以只有:平平仄仄仄平平(平起式)仄仄平平仄仄平(仄起式)鉴于此,不知白云兄的第三体能否提供出来学习一番?龙榆生的《唐宋词格律》去浏览学习了一下,未发现此词牌第三体。

通过交流,知道了很多不足之处。这里要谢谢白云兄的耐心指导!
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PostPosted: 2010-09-16 17:13:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

笑聊,互相交流切磋,不用客气.很欣赏你的孜孜不倦好学精神.
由于自己的业余爱好,以及恩師的循循指导.这么多年來,自己都着意收集有关诗詞方面的资料,并将各版本按类归納成册,以助自己的鉴赏与写作.但自己天赋所限,并无长进,只是活跃业余生活而矣.
致于笑聊你提及<浪淘沙>这一詞牌,据我收集所得的"单调小令"有三体,就是你前后所说的三体,即:<欽定詞谱>一体,<唐宋詞格律>两体.(既然你手上已有这两个版本,那我就不在这里再囉嗦地写出來了)
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PostPosted: 2010-09-16 19:08:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

呵呵,白云兄原来你指的三体是《钦定词谱》浪淘沙一体和《唐宋词格律》浪淘沙二体。我说呢,绝句首句入韵只有平起、仄起二体,哪来第三体?
很羡慕白云兄有恩师指导学习,我的诗词知识除了书本,再就是实践失败(缪误)中吸取他人经验而得来,很是艰难。
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PostPosted: 2010-09-17 07:07:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

笑聊,<欽定詞谱>一体与<唐宋詞格律>第二体,虽同是平起式,却有区别.<欽定詞谱>一体只有"平"、"仄"声位并无"可平可仄"声位;而<唐宋詞格律>二体,四句中都有"可平可仄"声位.
举例: 皇甫松詞
滩头细草接疏林,
浪惡罾船半欲沉.
宿鹭眠鸥非舊浦,
去年沙觜是江心.

如:第二句首字,如用<欽定詞谱>体則要用平声字,而用<唐宋詞格律>体就可使用"浪"字;
再如:第四句,用<唐宋詞格律>体才可以用上"去"字及"沙"字.

所以,绝句首句入韵虽只有平起、仄起两种,却是有第三体呢.
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PostPosted: 2010-09-17 16:42:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

白云兄你如此说也不错,我说的也没错.(注意一三五不论)所谓的平起式第三体就是从平起式中演化而来.(严格的说,这不算一体)

无庸质疑,交流有莫大好处.谢谢白云兄交流!
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PostPosted: 2010-09-17 17:39:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

很喜欢这样的切磋交流,暢所欲言,相互共同迈进!
謝謝笑聊!
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